HomeMy WebLinkAbout2011-06-07 PC PacketAGENDA
MAPLEWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION
Tuesday, June 7, 2011
7:00 PM
City Hall Council Chambers
1830 County Road B East
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Approval of Agenda
4. Approval of Minutes
a. May 17, 2011
5. Public Hearings
a. 7:00 p.m. or Later: Preliminary Plat for Eldridge Fields Single Dwelling Development on
Eldridge Street
6. New Business
a. Annual Election of Chair and Vice Chair (no report)
7. Unfinished Business
8. Visitor Presentations
9. Commission Presentations
a. Commissioner report at the city council meeting of May 23, 2011. Commissioner Boeser was
scheduled to attend to fill in for Commissioner Trippler. The CIP was discussed.
b. Upcoming City Council Meeting of June 13, 2011. Commissioner Desai is scheduled to
attend. At this time, the anticipated items for review are the Fleet Inc, CUP request and the
vacations of Ferndale Street and 7th Street at the Maplewood Nature Center.
10. Staff Presentations
a. Living Streets Task Force
11. Adjournment
DRAFT
MINUTES OF THE MAPLEWOOD PLANNING COMMISSION
1830 COUNTY ROAD B EAST, MAPLEWOOD, MINNESOTA
TUESDAY, MAY 17, 2011
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1. CALL TO ORDER
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A meeting of the Commission was held in the City Hall Council Chambers and was called to order
at 7:00 p.m. by Chairperson Fischer.
2. ROLL CALL
Al Bierbaum, Commissioner Present
Joseph Boeser, Commissioner Present
Tushar Desai, Commissioner Present
Lorraine Fischer, Chairperson Present
Robert Martin, Commissioner Present
Tanya Nuss, Commissioner Absent
Gary Pearson, Commissioner Present
Dale Trippler, Commissioner ' Abs en�t
Jeremy Yarwood, Commissioner Absent:
Staff Present: Tom Ekstrand, Senior Plariner�'
Shann Finwall, Environmental, Planner
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Commissioner Pearson moved toappro've the agenda as submitted.
Seconded by Commissioner Boeoer '\V Ayes — All
The motion passed. ,
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Pearson moved to approve the April 19, 2011, minutes as submitted.
Seconded by Commissioner Desai. Ayes —'All
The motion passed.
S. PUBLIC HEARING
a. Conditional Use Permit for Auto Sales by Fleet Associates, Inc., 2495 Maplewood Drive
i. Senior Planner, Tom Ekstrand gave the report and answered questions of the commission.
Chairperson Fischer opened the public hearing.
1. Fleet Associates, Inc. owners, Chris and Diane Johnson addressed and answered questions
of the commission.
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2. Bob long, President, Gladstone's Window and Door, 2475 Maplewood Drive, Suite 110,
Maplewood.
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Chairperson Fischer closed the public hearing.
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Commissioner Boeser moved to approve the resolution approving a conditional use permit to
operate a used car sales business from 2495 Maplewood Drive at the Maple Leaf Ridge Business
Center. Approval is based on the findings required by ordinance and subject to the following
conditions: (changes are in bold and underlined).
1. The proposed use must be substantially started within one year of council approval or the
permit shall become null and void. The council may extend this deadline for one year.
2. The city council shall review this permit in one year. '
3. The applicant shall not park any vehicles in their for -sale inventory any closer than 350 feet to
the westerly property line as required by ordinance.
4. The applicant shall not park more than five for -sale vehicles outside on the site.
5. The applicant shall not use any attention- getting dispays that are parked outside such as
flags, banners, signs (painted or otherwise),
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6. The applicants shall,apply for a building permit for any proposed construction of building
remodeling. A,
Seconded by Commissioner Bierbaum ,, \ '/ Ayes - Chairperson Fischer,
Commissioner's Bierbaum,
Boeser, Desai &Martin
Nav - Commissioner Pearson
The motion passed.t>�
This item goes to the city council June 13, 2011.
b. Seventh Street East and Ferndale Street Right -of -Way Vacations
i. Senior Planner, Tom Ekstrand gave the report and answered questions of the
commission.
Chairperson Fischer opened the public hearing.
1. Mayor Will Rossbach, 1386 County Road C East, Maplewood:
Chairperson Fischer closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Pearson moved to approve the resolution. This resolution is for the vacation of the
Seventh Street East and Ferndale Street right -of -ways. The reasons for the vacation are as
follows:
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It is in the public interest since; j
1. The city is not using the right -of -way for a public street:
2. The right -of -way is not needed for street access purposes as the adjacent properties
have street access at other points:
The approval is subject to: k
1. Comply with the requirements contained within Assistant City Engineer Steve Love's
report dated April 7, 2011.
2. All legal descriptions must be approved by staff.
Seconded by Commissioner Tushar. Ayes — All
The motion passed:
This item goes to the city council June 13, 2011.
c. Capital Improvement Plan for 2012 — 2016'
i. Assistant City Manager, Public Works Director, Chuck AN gave the Capital Improvement
Plan for 2012— 2016 and answered questions of the commission.
Chairperson Fischer opened the public hearing,
1. Warren Wessel, BEDC Commission member -Ond Maplewood resident.
2. Joseph Waters, Maplewood resident
3. Mark Jenkins, BEDC Chairperson and`Nlaolewood
4. Ron Cockriel, Maplewood resident.,,
5. Mayor, Will Rossbach, Maplewood,resident.
Chairperson Fischer
closed public hearing:
Commissioner Pearson
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Seconded by Commissioner Desai: Ayes — Chairperson Fischer,
Commissioner's Bierbaum,
Boeser, Desai, & Pearson
Commissioner Boeser made a friendly amendment to add that the CIP is substantially consistent
with the comprehensive plan.
The friendly amendment is accepted by the motioner and the seconder.
Nav — Commissioner Martin
The motion passed.
This item goes to the city council May 23, 2011.
6. NEW BUSINESS
None.
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7. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None.
8. VISITOR PRESENTATIONS
None.
9. COMMISSION PRESENTATIONS
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a. Commissioner report at the city council meeting of April 25, 2011. Commissioner
Trippler attended (filled in for Commissioner Boeser). The item discussed was the TIF
proposal for the Maplewood Mall area for sidewalk improvements and was passed by
the council 3 -2.
b. Commissioner report at the city council meeting of May 9, 2011. Commissioner
Pearson was scheduled to attend. There were no planning commission items
reviewed.
C. Commissioner report at the city council meeting of May 23, 2011. Commissioner
Boeser is scheduled to attend to fill in for Commissioner Trippler. The CIP is the only
item at the council meetings ` `•..
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10. STAFF PRESENTATIONS
a. Living Streets Task Force Volunteer Pequested
i. Senior Planner, Tom Ekstrapq gavcs�a brief report. Staff will bring this item back
since the commission was fiiissing members.,
11. ADJOURNMENT
Chairperson Fischer adjourned the meeting at 9:28 p.m.
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MEMORANDUM
TO: James Antonen, City Manager
FROM: Michael Martin, AICP, Planner
Chuck Ahl, Assistant City Manater
SUBJECT: Eldridge Fields Preliminary Plat
LOCATION: Unused Eldridge Avenue Right -of -Way, West of Prosperity Avenue, East of John
Glenn Junior High School
DATE: May 25, 2011
INTRODUCTION
Project Description
Keith Frank of Frank Construction, Inc. is proposing to develop a 1.4 acre site into five single -
family lots. The lots will be accessed by a new public cul -de -sac road constructed in the existing
Eldridge Avenue unused right -of -way off of Prosperity Avenue. Mr. Frank is proposing the same
lot layout as what was approved in 2006.
Request
To build this project, Mr. Frank is requesting that the city approve the preliminary plat.
Background
June 26, 2006: The city council approved a resolution vacating the west 136.75 of the 23 -foot
Eldridge Avenue right -of -way. The council also approved a preliminary plat for Eldridge Fields.
The final plat was never applied for and thus preliminary plat approval has lapsed. The public
vacation approval does not lapse.
DISCUSSION
Neighborhood Comments
The site currently consists of two large lots on the south side of the Eldridge Avenue right -of -way
and four small lots on the north side. These lots are located behind two existing houses on
Prosperity Avenue (2095 and 2111 Prosperity Avenue). The new road will be constructed within
the existing 49.5- foot -wide Eldridge Avenue right -of -way which is located between these existing
houses.
There is an 80- foot -wide vacant lot located on the north side of Eldridge Avenue, east of the new
plat and west of 2111 Prosperity Avenue. As such, a condition of the Eldridge Avenue plat
approval should be the extension of the utilities in front of the vacant lot. This is discussed further
in the engineering department comments attached to this report. The owners of the vacant lot will
be assessed for the public improvements.
Zoning /Land Use
The two existing lots on the south side of Eldridge Avenue are zoned double dwelling residential
(R -2). The four existing lots on the north side of Eldridge Avenue are zoned single dwelling
residential (R -1). Single family houses are permitted uses in both zoning districts. All six existing
parcels are guided by the 2030 Comprehensive Plan as Low Density Residential.
Adjacent zoning to the north is R -1 with existing single family houses and mixed use (MU) to the
south with an existing light manufacturing business.
Preliminary Plat
Chapter 34 of the city code (subdivisions) regulates the platting or subdividing of property in
Maplewood. The purpose of this part of the code is "to protect and promote the public health,
safety and general welfare, to provide for the orderly, economic and safe development of land..."
As such, the city must balance many interests when reviewing and considering a subdivision in
Maplewood. These include the interests of the property owner, the developer, the neighbors and
the city as a whole. Section 34 -6 of the code says that "the planning commission may
recommend and the city council may require such changes or revisions of a preliminary plat as
deemed necessary for the health, safety, general welfare and convenience of the city."
Lot Sizes and Dimensions
Within the single dwelling residential (R -1) zoning district the required lot size is 10,000 square
feet and the required lot width is of least 75 feet at the front setback line. Within the double
dwelling residential zoning (R -2) district the required lot size for single dwelling houses is 7,500
square feet and the required lot width is at least 60 feet at the front setback line. As proposed,
the lots in the plat will range from 10,171 square feet to 14,737 square feet with an average lot
size of about 11,655 square feet and will meet or exceed the required lot width requirements.
Public Vacation
The applicant previously requested the city vacate a section of the Eldridge Avenue right -of -way.
This section of right -of -way is 136.75 feet long by 30 feet wide. According to the county plat
maps, the north 30 feet of this section of right -of -way was vacated to John Glenn Junior High
School's property. The existing 30- foot -wide portion of the right -of -way was not needed for any
road or other public improvements and as such was in the public interest to vacate. The city
council approved the vacation in 2006.
City Engineering Department Comments
The city engineering department has been working with the applicant in reviewing this proposal
and plans. Steve Kummer's comments are attached to this report. As noted in the engineering
comments, the city is going to install the improvements on this site as part of a public
improvement project — including utilities, street and curbing.
Trail
There is an opportunity to install an 8- foot -wide pedestrian trail on top of the new sanitary sewer
line extending north from the end of the new cul -de -sac to Burke Avenue. This trail will be
located on the west side of the new house at Lot 1, Block 1 of the new plat and west of the
existing house at 1646 Burke Avenue. This trail will ensure pedestrian and bicycle access from
the new Eldridge Avenue cul -de -sac to John Glenn and Burke Avenue.
Tree Removal /Replacement
The city's tree preservation ordinance has been amended and updated since the previous 2006
approval. The applicant will need to submit a tree preservation plan and an updated landscape
plan in order to meet the city's ordinance.
The applicant's landscape plan shows the planting of 24 trees (14 evergreen trees including
Norway pine and Black Hills spruce and 10 deciduous trees including maple and ash). The
evergreen trees are proposed along the west and south side of the two southern lots to create a
buffer and screening from the school and adjacent light manufacturing business. In order to
ensure an adequate screen and buffer from these uses, staff recommends that the applicants
plant additional evergreen trees along these property lines. The evergreen trees should be
staggered at least one tree every 15 feet along the west and south property lines of the southern
lots. This would require the applicant installing 12 more trees, for a total of 36.
Watershed District
The Ramsey /Washington Metro Watershed District is reviewing the development proposal and
will have to issue Mr. Frank a permit before the contractor starts construction.
Other Comments
Building Department: David Fisher, building official, states that all of the new houses must meet
the building code.
Police Department: Lt. Dick Dobler states that there are no police concerns with the proposed
plat.
Fire Department: Butch Gervais, fire marshal, states that there are no fire safety concerns with
the proposed plat.
RECOMMENDATIONS
Approve Keith Frank's preliminary plat date stamped May 9, 2011, for the Eldridge Fields
plat to be located along the existing Eldridge Avenue right -of -way, west of Prosperity
Avenue and east of John Glenn Junior High School. Approval is subject to the following
conditions:
a. Have the city engineer approve final construction and engineering plans. These
plans shall comply with all requirements as specified in the city engineering
department's May 23, 2011, engineering plan review including the developer
entering into a development agreement with the city, extending the sanitary sewer
main to the east to allow for future service to the vacant lot on the north side of
Eldridge Avenue, and the construction of a swale on the John Glenn property to
direct the storm water flow west.
b. Revise the plat to show a drainage and utility easement for the storm sewer pipe
and the two rainwater gardens over Lots 2 and 3, Block 2.
C. Prior to final plat approval, the following must be submitted for city staff approval:
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1) Homeowner's association documents to ensure the maintenance of the
rainwater gardens, retaining walls, and trees.
2) A tree preservation plan showing the replacement of all significant trees
as required by ordinance. The tree plan must inventory all significant
trees located within the area to be developed and reflect which of those
are to be removed.
3) Revised landscape plan which includes 12 additional evergreen trees.
The additional evergreen trees should be 6 feet in height and should be
staggered every 15 feet along the west and south property lines of the
southern lots. The landscape plan needs to specify the species, size and
number of trees replaced in order to determine in the tree replacement
requirements are being met.
Have Xcel Energy install two street lights as follows: 1) at the intersection of
Prosperity Avenue and Eldridge Avenue; and 2) at the end of the Eldridge
Avenue cul -de -sac. The exact location and type of light shall be subject to the
city engineer's approval.
Record all easements and owners association agreements with the final plat.
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CITIZENS' COMMENTS
Staff surveyed the owners of the 37 properties within 500 feet of this site. Four property owners
responded as follows:
1. Mildred Grealish, 2111 Prosperity Avenue: I have nothing against this proposal except the
increase of traffic for Prosperity Road! Has anyone checked to see how much pedestrian
traffic is used to get to and from the Gateway Trail? Also, since the extension of Phalen all
the way to County Road B — there is a lot more motorized traffic. It seems that this bears
looking into before any new projects.
2. Keith and Sharon Miller, 1654 County Road B East: I have no comments.
3. Alfred and Jean Clemen, 1662 Burke Avenue: We have lived here for 48 years and feel
that the activity created by all that has to be done will undoubtedly be accompanied by our
two dogs that are penned in back yard barking. It would put undue strain on us to calm
them. Also is this does go through, we would request a privacy fence.
4. Dotti Ann Lehmann, 2053 Prosperity Road: Leave the woods alone. We don't need any
more developments around here! You will change the structure and make up of Prosperity
Road forever. It is insane. Too many houses and a road! One house only!
REFERENCE INFORMATION
SITE DESCRIPTION
Site size: 1.4 Acres
Existing land use: Vacant Lot
SURROUNDING LAND USES
North: Single Family Houses (Zoned R -1)
South: Light Manufacturing Business (Zoned MU)
West: John Glenn Junior High School (Zoned R -1)
East: Single Family Houses (Zoned R -1)
PLANNING
Existing Land Use: Low Density Residential
Existing Zoning: R -1 and R -2
Application Date
The city received all the application materials for this request (including the proposed plans) on
May 9, 2011. State law requires the city to take action on this request within 60 days. As such, city
council action is required by July 8, 2011. As stated in Minnesota State Statute 15.99, the city is
allowed to take an additional 60 days, if necessary, in order to complete the review of this
application.
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Attachments:
1. Location Map
2. Land Use Map
3. Zoning Map
4. Existing Conditions
5. Site Plan
6. Preliminary Plat
7. Grading Plan
8. Erosion Control Plan
9. Utility Plan
10. Landscape Plan
11. Engineering Plan Review -
12. Applicant's Project Plans (Separate Attachment).
Eldridge Fields
Location Map
Government
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2030 Future Land Use �_ Mixed Use
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Attachment 11
Maplewood Engineering Comments
Eldridge Fields
5 -23 -2011
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Engineering Plan Review
PROJECT: Eldridge Fields
PROJECT NO: 11 -10 (Original 06 -09)
COMMENTS BY: Steve Kummer, P.E. — Staff Engineer
DATE: 5 -23 -2011
PLAN SET: Original Set dated 5 -1 -2006
REPORTS: HydroCAD Computations dated 7 -13 -06
Summary
Keith Frank is proposing to subdivide a 1.4 -acre property west of 2095 Prosperity Avenue into
five homesites.
Request
The applicant is requesting preliminary plat. This proposal was originally reviewed by
engineering staff in May 2006. This review accounts for any engineering comments that may
have been addressed at the time of the first application submittal in 2006.
The scope of this review includes aspects of site design including, but not limited to, geometrics,
paving, grading, drainage utilities, temporary sediment and erosion control and permanent
storm water management.
The following are Engineering review comments on the design review, and act as conditions
prior to issuing demolition, grading, sewer, and building permits:
Drainage and Treatment
1) The Lark - Prosperity improvements (project 07 -15) takes ditch drainage from the west
side of Prosperity Avenue, intercepts the flow at Burke Avenue, and conveys the flow
to County Road B via a storm sewer in Burke Avenue. Design the storm sewer
system for the drainage area from Burke Avenue to the south along Prosperity
Avenue.
2) In lieu of discharging into the John Glenn Middle School ditch along the west side of
Kennard Street, analyze the feasibility of connecting into the new storm sewer along
Burke Avenue and Kennard Street, specifically at a catch basin on the south side of
Burke Avenue just east of Kennard Street. The City will verify the capacity of this
storm sewer to accept the additional flow from the development.
If the connection into the existing Burke /Kennard storm sewer is not feasible and the
applicant prefers discharging into the John Glenn swale, then the applicant is required
to ascertain a drainage and utility easement and provide the necessary grading within
the swale to ensure positive drainage.
Maplewood Engineering Comments
Eldridge Fields
5 -23 -2011
Page 2 of 3
3) Provide more survey and grading information along Kennard Street. Provide grading
information on the swale down to County Road B.
4) CBMH #6 is the low point catch basin that picks up drainage from Prosperity. The
applicant may want to consider a swale along the north side of Eldridge Avenue in
lieu of installing CB #7 and piping the flows.
5) Provide updated HydroCAD computations with a drainage area map and labeling on
the HydroCAD computations consistent with the map.
6) Provide storm sewer design calculations.
7) Analyze the feasibility using the back yard rain water gardens to treat all or a portion
of the storm water runoff from the new street now that the amount of flow that the
Eldridge storm sewer system will capture is significantly decreased.
8) Provide storm sewer to facilitate drainage between the two rain gardens on Lots 2,3
Block 2.
9) Drainage and utility easements are required for any rain garden that will accept street
runoff.
10) Provide soil boring information to the City. Provide a minimum 2 cores from the
roadway and one core for each rain garden.
11) Provide rain garden construction details including profile view of rain garden cross
section and rock sump construction.
12) Phase the construction of the rain gardens appropriately to minimize siltation and
compaction of the basin bottoms. It may be good practice to rough -grade the gardens
for use as temporary sedimentation basins and then prepare the gardens for planting
after all grading on the homesites are completed. It's been problematic in
subdivisions where builders construct the homes, silt in the gardens, and then the
gardens have to be reconstructed in order to function as intended. Note the
appropriate construction phasing on the plans. Native seeding and /or planting of the
gardens must occur immediately after final grading and preparation is completed.
13) Provide planting plans for rain gardens. Planting plan review shall be coordinated
through Virginia Gaynor, the City's Open Space Coordinator.
14) Show the rim and invert elevations for both of the catch basins at the end of the cul-
de -sac.
Maplewood Engineering Comments
Eldridge Fields
5 -23 -2011
Page 3 of 3
Grading and Erosion Control
15) Provide a storm water pollution prevention plan detailing all NPDES and MPCA
guidelines and practices to manage storm water pollution prevention for a
construction site. For example provide street sweeping and watering information and
how concrete truck washout effluent will be handled.
16) Provide sediment and erosion control plan phasing information for the construction of
the individual homes. Plans for the construction of each home should work with the
overall erosion control plan for the site.
17) Retaining wall construction shall not encroach on neighboring private property.
18) Retaining wall greater than 4 feet in height require a building permit and shall also
have a fence installed at the top of wall. Retaining wall shop drawings shall be
provided to the City at the time of filing for permit.
Utilities
19) Show 8 -inch sewer main as Schedule 35 PVC.
20) Connect all sewer services into the main via wyes. No direct connections are allowed
into manholes. Provide Schedule 40 PVC for sewer services.
21) Provide a sewer and water service for the undeveloped lot east of Lot 2 Block 1.
22) Verify the existence of an easement or right -of -way for the proposed sanitary sewer
and storm sewer extensions to the north.
Miscellaneous
23) Provide a copy of all necessary permits prior to start of construction including MDH
watermain extension, MPCA sanitary sewer extension, NPDES Construction Permit,
SPRW.S approvals.
24) The developer shall provide maintenance agreements recorded each property or one
homeowners association agreement for the maintenance of the rain gardens.
25) The developer shall enter into a Developer's Agreement with the City. The
agreement will stipulate the maintenance of the rain gardens and details the
requirements for the public improvements. The street and utility installations shall be
considered part of the public improvements and shall follow through the statute 429
process.
-END COMMENTS-
MEMORANDUM
TO: James Antonen, City Manager
FROM: Tom Ekstrand, Senior Planner
Chuck Ahl, Assistant City Manager
SUBJECT: Living Streets Task Force
DATE: May 26, 2011
INTRODUCTION
Michael Thompson, Maplewood City Engineer, is establishing a Living Streets Task
Force to provide the city council with input for the formation of a Living Streets Policy to
guide future street development. Please refer to Michael's report and his Living Streets
Working Group schedule.
On May 23r the city council authorized Michael to form the task force. Michael's goal is
to have one member from the planning commission, environmental and natural
resources commission, the community design review board and the business &
economic development commission to serve on this committee, as well as a council
person and staff members.
RECOMMENDATION
Staff requests that an interested member of the planning commission volunteer to serve
as a member of the Living Streets Task Force.
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Attachments:
1. Memo from Michael Thompson on the Potential Living Streets Task Force
2. Planning Commission Comments Regarding Living Streets from 3 1511
3. Living Streets Working Group schedule
Potential Living Streets Taskforce
Staff has presented Living Streets concepts to the Planning Commission, Environmental and
Natural Resources Commission, and Community Design Review Board (summary of meetings
attached). The discussion has focused on a few key areas:
1) Improve storm water quality through expansion of the rain garden program, reducing
the impervious footprint of streets, and meeting or exceeding the 1" infiltration
standard.
2) Implement traffic calming measures through the use of techniques best suited for site
conditions.
3) Improve biking and walking conditions along natural connector routes and collector
streets through designation of bike lanes, sidewalks, or multi - purpose trails.
4) Create boulevard tree standards that provide environmental benefits (storm water
management, shade to reduce heating and cooling costs, filtering air pollutants,
reduce urban heat island effect), enhance quality of life, and are practical and
affordable.
5) Be cognizant of construction, replacement, and future maintenance costs
The feedback thus far has been positive in moving forward with the creation of a Living Streets
policy. To help refine the focus and generate buy -in a task force is proposed. It is the intent of
the staff to propose a formation of Living Streets Task to the city council in May or June 2011. It
is anticipated that the membership could be formed to include:
➢ 1 member of the Environmental and Natural Resources Commission
➢ 1 member of the Community Design Review Board
➢ 1 member of the Planning Commission
➢ 1 member of the City Council
➢ 1 member of the business community (Business & Economic Development Commission ?)
➢ 1 staff person from Public Safety (Police or Fire)
➢ 2 staff persons from Public Works (1 engineering and 1 maintenance)
➢ 1 person from Community Development
➢ 2 at large resident volunteers / appointees ??
Again, at this time this is only proposed, however if the council does want to proceed with a task
force staff would like to be prepared to move forward with selected volunteers from boards and
commissions.
It is anticipated the time commitment would be no more than 3 -4 meetings over the next 5 month
period.
Thanks!
- - -- Michael Thompson, P.E.
City Engineer / Dep. Director of Public Works
PLANNING COMMISSION SUMMARY
LIVING STREETS DISCUSSION
MARCH 15, 2011
The following is a recap of discussion items:
1. City Engineer Michael Thompson gave an introduction of Living Streets. He then introduced the
guest speaker.
2. Cliff Aichinger, Administrator for the Ramsey - Washington Metro Watershed District, guest speaker,
gave a presentation on Living Streets and the recent process undertaken in North Saint Paul. The
PowerPoint presentation discussed goals and benefits of Living Streets and practical examples.
3. Questions of the Commission then commenced:
a. Concerns with 22' wide street and how snow plows can navigate the streets.
b. Talk of bump -outs and how plows would need to maneuver to correctly plow the streets
c. Another concern with 22' wide street. Michael Thompson reminded the Commission that we
were not proposing a standard but rather fostering discussion and the feedback on concerns
is very helpful in guiding future discussion and policy language. Policies are flexible and
could allow for context sensitive solutions.
d. A member brought up a concern about emergency vehicles. Cliff responded saying that all
fire personnel in N. St. Paul was part of the plan writing and reviewed the standards and
said they would make it work. Cliff showed slides of vehicles successfully maneuvering
narrow streets of 22'. Also the Commissioner asked if Maplewood had any 22' wide streets.
Michael Thompson responded yes, that Skillman Ave in the'Kenwood neighborhood was 22'
with no restricted parking. There have been no complaints from residents or emergency'
crews over the past 4 years since its installation.
e. There was a concern about trees being planted in the boulevard and that they should not be
too thick because this could hinder visibility for drivers and pedestrians.
f. Discussion on winter maintenance and parking restrictions.,
g. Discussion about becoming greener with building practices such as utilizing pavers.
h. Recognition by a member that narrower streets in fact do slow traffic. Further stated that
most residents complain about traffic speeds, yet many do not want to narrow streets and
install sidewalks to improve safety. A mind set change must occur.,
i. Concern that sidewalks would add to resident plowing duties. Responded that benefits
greatly outweigh.... N. St. Paul has a "help your neighbor" program. This further fosters
community interaction etc.
j. Make sure costs are at or less than that to reinstall a full width street. Cliff discussed that
when you reduce a road from 32' to 22' there is a significant cost savings that allows
investments into rain gardens, trees, bump -outs, etc .... in conformance with Living Streets
concepts.
k. Mention that we really need to have a long range plan for sidewalk and trail connections and
this would be a good policy to start its implementation. This would help with promoting
active living.
4. Michael thanked the Commissioners for the feedback and that these items would be presented to
the other Boards and Commissions to give an idea of the conversation. The plan is to return again
to the PC for further discussion after going to the ENRC (April) and CDRB (March).
This summary is only my recollection and is not to be referred to as detailed fact Please watch the
video proceedings for detailed discussion.
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